How can you still hear the band sounds while using VD2 at the same time on a mac using Finale 2005? I know it said to turn off ";internal speaker playback"; so that VD2 could work, but then I can not hear the band parts on my score. Is this just a simple set up issue I am having? I split my IAC into separate buses (ports) but that didn't get it to work either. Any help would b appreciated - THANKS. :D

I am using:

Mac Mini 1GB ram
1.4ghz
Finale 2005
VD2

Here is a link to a snapshot of my midi setup screen
http://homepage.mac.com/hirschscott/FileSharing10.html

I use Kontakt, so my input here might not be what you need (if you're using the VDL:2 player). I open the Finale soundfont in Kontakt and address it from Finale. If you are hoping to use it by splitting the IAC buses between OSX and the VDL:2 player, I think you're stuck. Finale will only send to external or use their own sounds.

- David

You can use Plogue Bidule, currently free, to playback/record the wind parts and VDL:2 sounds simultaneously. See Jim's posts about setup.

Ok. I will try that. Thanks for the help.

Thanks for the save Brady. I totally missed the fact that Bidule will allow you to load the Finale sounds. Just look in the palette for ";AU Music Devices"; -> ";Apple"; -> ";DLSMusicService";. Then, select the ";MakeMusicGM"; in that bidule's settings.

Good save.

- David

[quote=";denete";]Thanks for the save Brady. I totally missed the fact that Bidule will allow you to load the Finale sounds. Just look in the palette for ";AU Music Devices"; -> ";Apple"; -> ";DLSMusicService";. Then, select the ";MakeMusicGM"; in that bidule's settings.

Good save.

- David[/quote]
I hadn't had the chance to look into this yet, so you just answered my question David and Brady. Thanks for the great info!

Yeah....I am still not getting this Bidule thing. I chose what you said but I could not find the ";MakeMusicGM";. It only let me select ";DLSMusicService"; and then put it on my screen as ";DLSMusicService_0";. I put the pdf snap shot of the bidule (picture 1) on my file sharing page so you could take a look at it if you want. maye I am totally screwing it up.

http://homepage.mac.com/hirschscott/FileSharing10.html

Do I still then need to keep the ";internal speaker playback"; off within Finale?

And then I have the midi set up on there as well (picture 2). Very confusing.... :) but im excited to get it to work so I can hear the band parts while I use VD2.

I really appreciate all your guys' help.

Imessed around with Bidule today and got it working so I can hear the band sounds at the same time as composing in Finale 2005 with VD2. It is a little scratchy when there is a lot of material (loud...thick scoring) but im sure that has to do with my memory and what have you and buffer size.

I will post a link to my Bidule set up and midi set up in finale later tonight because it might helps someone else. The only thing I can not figure out now is that I get finale sounds in my keyboard when using my keyboard to input VD2 notes. Weird.


Thanks for all your guys help.

[quote=";Coach";]Yeah....I am still not getting this Bidule thing. I chose what you said but I could not find the ";MakeMusicGM";. It only let me select ";DLSMusicService"; and then put it on my screen as ";DLSMusicService_0";. I put the pdf snap shot of the bidule (picture 1) on my file sharing page so you could take a look at it if you want. maye I am totally screwing it up.[/quote]

Actually, I don't think you screwed anything up. There's one minor detail that was left out. Do this:

Do a ";find"; for ";synthgms.sf2";

Once you find it, select it, and copy it.

Paste it into this location:
Macintosh HD>Library>Audio>Sounds>Banks

This file is Finale's soundfont bank. Once you've copied it to that location, it'll be available as one of apple's default synth modules.

In Bidule, double-click on the ";DLSMusicDevice_0"; bidule that you have set up. In there, is a pulldown menu which allows you to choose the sound bank. This is where you'll see the MakeMusic GM bank.

In regard to setting up Bidule, hang in there. It's actually pretty simple once you grasp the concept. I checked out your screenshot and you're not quite right with some things.

The inputs need to be set to your ";virtual midi cables";. Think of it this way:

FINALE --> Virtual Midi Cables --> BIDULE

Since you're a Mac user, you should use OSX's built-in IAC Driver which can be activated by going to: Macintosh HD>Applications>Utilities>Audio MIDI Setup. Double click on the IAC Driver, and be sure ";device is online"; is checked."; While you're in there, click on the ";ports"; tab, and add a couple ports (they'll be labeled IAC Bus 1, Bus 2, etc). This will allow you to route to muliple instances of VDL2, as well as your DLSMusic Device.

Couple other things...
When dragging an instance of VDL2 into Bidule, it's probably easiest to just select the one that says ";00 ins 02 outs";. Think of this instance as simply having a right and left channel which will be routed to output.

You don't NEED a mixer in Bidule if you don't want one. You can simply route from your playback devices directly to the Built-in Audio(out) if you want. The mixer will allow you to tweak balance between devices if you want to (say if you want the brass lower in the mix for student recordings).

You can make recordings by dragging an ";Audio File Recorder"; in, and routing devices to it.

With all these devices, just double-click them to access their various features. Here's a shot of what your setup should probably look like. This has 2 instances of VDL2, and a DLSDevice for brass stuff. Just like hooking up a CableTV, VCR, etc...follow the wires to make sure things are being routed correctly.
[img]https://www.tapspace.com/images/BiduleDLS.jpg[/img]

Then setup your Finale MIDI Setup to look something like this (focus on the OUTPUTS...sorry I didn't have a keyboard setup for an INPUT example here):
[img]https://www.tapspace.com/images/FinaleMIDISetup.jpg[/img]

*Channels 1-16 would be allowed to play into that first instance of VDL2.
*Channels 17-32 would play to the second instance of VDL2.
*Channels 33-48 (in finale) will play to the DLSMusicDevice which you talked about using for your wind sounds, so be sure to route them to the appropriate channels (33-48) in Finale's Instrument List.

Hope this helps!

Thanks, Jim, for the assistance. I am going to set everything up that way and see if >I< can get it to work. I got it working today but it wasnt close to the set up that you showed. :) I put up two new screen shots of how it was set up when I got it working earlier.

http://homepage.mac.com/hirschscott/PhotoAlbum12.html


Hope the screen shots help. Can i just post them like you did - as a picture- instead of giving you the link?...just for furture reference.



Thanks again.
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HMMM when I used the IAC in in Bidule and then set the outputs in finale to those, it didnt seemt o work but when I set it up like in my screen shot it worked.

What about in my parts I want to have a clapping part in the pit.

I have an aux line abve the mallet parts...don't know why...i suppose I could have just used a new layer, but anyway -

At the end of this piece I want clapping so I opened a new Bidule and VD2 and loaded the clapping sounds there. But I seem to be getting the low tom voice playing as well as the clapping. Any way to fix that?

This kinda fits in my Bidule thing I was talking about earlier and patch changes, so I thought id post here. Play back seems ok with what I was talking about in my other post in the Bidule section with this setup I guess. THE RED NOTES in the marimbas aux line are supposed to be the hand claps.

I posted the screens again.
http://homepage.mac.com/hirschscott/PhotoAlbum12.html

Scott,

In regard to program (patch) changes, that may be better started in a different thread. The short answer is...if you want to do patch changes in the same staff, you'll have to load sounds into the full version of Kontakt 2.

In regard to your setup, it all looks fine. You're using the Bidule 1(in), Bidule 2(in), etc as your Virtual MIDI Cables which is fine (instead of Apple IAC). You won't see these in Finale unless you have Bidule launched first however.

The part where I start to get a little confused is the IAC OUTPUT that you have coming out of the Bidule 3. I'm guessing this may be related to what you have as your FINALE input for channels 33-48. Not sure. Ideally, all your Finale inputs should simply indicate the device you're inputting notes with (MIDI keyboard), but I think once you've used this device in one bank of channels, Finale won't make it available in other banks of channels.

Can any Finale gurus confirm this, or if there's a way to have the same INPUT device on all 64 channels, even if they have different outputs? Seems like this should be a simple bit of Finale functionality...

[quote=";Coach";]
HMMM when I used the IAC in in Bidule and then set the outputs in finale to those, it didnt seemt o work but when I set it up like in my screen shot it worked.[/quote]

If you use IAC in Bidule, you should use the INPUTs (they're coming IN from Finale). You'll know you're using the right ones if you see the little ";nub"; (for connecting the wires) on the BOTTOM of the IAC Input.