Hello everyone!

I am using Sibelius 4.1, Mac Powerbook 4, and an Oxygen 8 keyboard.
What would be the easiest/best way to enter a ride cymbal and
snare drum part in the same measure(s).  Obviously, I
cannot do both at the same time because I have to
octave up and down to access the different sounds.
In finale I would have put the sounds in different layers.
I am still a newbie at Sibelius (since June) and trying
to write our first halftime show.  Any help would
be greatly appreciated.  Thanks!

Take care!
Neal

Neal Flum
Associate Director of Athletic Bands

e-mail me at:  [email]nealflum@mac.com[/email]

Ok this might be a little weird, and scatter brained, but I think I have a solution for you.

Any time you want to enter just snare or ride notes (or any other toy), you can entere those the usual way.  When needing to enter both at once, here is how it could be done:

1) Enter two notes at once, one being perhaps a ";Left hit"; and the other being a ";Double shot"; so you can tell which is which
2) Select just the double shot notehead and use the arrow keys to move it up to the E space
3) Press [b]Shift + Alt + 1[/b] to change the notehead to notehead 1 (this shortcut plus any number will change the notehead to whatever you enter)


That should be it. Hope this helps!

[quote author=Bryan Harmsen link=topic=1278.msg5627#msg5627 date=1154827972]
1) Enter two notes at once, one being perhaps a ";Left hit"; and the other being a ";Double shot"; so you can tell which is which
[b]2) Select just the double shot notehead and use the arrow keys to move it up to the E space[/b]
3) Press [b]Shift + Alt + 1[/b] to change the notehead to notehead 1 (this shortcut plus any number will change the notehead to whatever you enter)
[/quote]

Will moving it to the E space make it play the ride cymbal sound or it that just for the correct placement ";visually"; on the page?  I have been curious about this same thing but Neal mentioning it made me remember having issues with this in the past...

thanks!

You will get the ride cymbal sound. I remember people say there was an issue with not being able to use different noteheads, but I was able to get snare and ride sounds as well with the ride noteheads.

So in theory, you could combine any two or three sounds using the same procedure.

You can do this with VDLMidi too (I've been doing it all day :)). There's info in the ReadMe file...

http://cflake.org/VDLMidi/

Perfect!  I didn't think of that...

[quote author=Bryan Harmsen link=topic=1278.msg5627#msg5627 date=1154827972]
1) Enter two notes at once, one being perhaps a ";Left hit"; and the other being a ";Double shot"; so you can tell which is which
2) Select just the double shot notehead and use the arrow keys to move it up to the E space
3) Press [b]Shift + Alt + 1[/b] to change the notehead to notehead 1 (this shortcut plus any number will change the notehead to whatever you enter)
[/quote]

This ";trick"; is very useful and I find myself using it on my laptop when I've already created a file and need to edit it. I think taking a few minutes to look at the various short-cuts pertaining to noteheads is well worth it. As percussionists we couldn't do what we do without a variety of noteheads.

If you can't think of what the shortcut for a specific notehead is, you can always highlight the note head and select Shift + Alt then a number from the horizontal row of number keys. This will ";toggle"; through the different noteheads and eventually you can find the one you're looking for. If you look at the Sibelius documentation, this method will make more sense.

Hello everyone!

Just finished speaking with Larry Marchese of Sibelius.
To enter, say, a left-hand snare and a ride cymbal
one can use, like Finale's layers, Sibelius's VOICES.
On the keypad are numerals, 1 - 4 and ALL.  You can
enter the cymbal part in VOICE 1 and then switch to
VOICE 2, 3, or 4 to add the left-hand snare, whatever you like.
Corey's approach is, obviously, more economical, but the info
offered above, while more involved, will work. 

Bryan--I tried your approach but could not get it to work.
Don't know what I was doing wrong.  You can safely
assume that if it did not work, I did something to
cause that.

By the way--Corey--will your midi tool work with a Powerbook 4?
I noticed that you wrote that it required an Intel Processor.
I am guessing that opts me out of the midi tool?  And thus
the reason for my getting in touch with Larry.

All for now.  Have a great day!

Take care!
Neal

Neal Flum
Associate Director of Athletic Bands
University of Alabama

Yes, using voices is actually a cleaner way to look at it anyway (in my opinion). I would recommend putting the cymbal part in voice 1, and the snare part in voice 2 because when using 2 voices, the stems in voice 1 go up, and the stems for voice 2 go down. Should be a little cleaner this way.

Neal - it's a Universal binary, which means it will work for both PowerPC (PowerBooks & others) and Intel chips. Let me know if some place says that it requires Intel and I'll make sure that page gets changed :)

Corey,

. . . we're good to go!  I did not understand the term,
universal binary.  Sometimes all this technology
is humbling and daunting.  Fortunately for me
I am too stubborn to relent and let the learning
curve win.  Thanks for taking the time to respond.

Take care!
Neal