MacBook Pro, Logic, Sibelius, and VDL2

Alright.  I used to be a Windows user. 
I went to the Mac side with a brand spankin new MacBook Pro 17";, 2.16 GHz machine with 2 gigs of RAM.  I loaded Sibelius 4 on my machine, as well as the Kontakt Gold player.  Ooof.  Talk about lag.  Apparently, the Rosetta translation of Kontakt player bogs down the processor and it has grotesque skips and hiccups in the audio.

Is this going to be a problem with VDL2? 

I'm thinking of getting Logic 7.2.  Do I have to load an instance of VDL2 into Logic, or is there a way to load the VDL2 files into Logic without having to deal with the Rosetta lagging problem?

Also, would I be able to control Logic with Sibelius by making Logic a midi device? 

I don't know a whole lot about Logic, as no one I have talked to seems to know what I'm wanting to do.

Any help would be appreciated.
You just left my area of expertise, but I'd suggest optimizing the computer and Sibelius before going further.  Without that, the rest is somewhat pointless...
Someone please call me on this if I'm wrong... As of right now I don't believe you can load any VDL:2 instruments into Logic or any other sequencer on a mac if it is running on the new chip. Essentially VDL:2 would be a pug-in in Logic and cross processor plug-ins aren't allowed. However, if you were running both apps under Rossetta (Note that this is only until VDL:2 is updated with NI, in-which NI needs to get there stuff done),  you would load an instance of VDL:2. In fact I believe the only thing that you can actually load the raw VDL:2 files in would be Kontakt 2. Again, someone call me on this if I'm wrong. Some programs also let you run them under Rossetta even thought they run better and have already been rebuilt for the new processor. If the option is available you would see it as a check under one of the 'Get Info' sections. Peace... I hope I was of some help.
Thats what I was afraid of...  I finally got the specs on Logic's sampler to see what it is compatible with...  I need to wait for the Universal Binary of Kontakt 2 before going any further, unfortunately... either that or befoul my mac with windows xp.

Thanks for the help though.

-JJ
Sibelius is not yet Universal, nor is VDL2. Both are planned to become available, but aren't yet. In the meantime, those two apps do need to run under Rosetta emulation. While VDL2 isn't officially supported with Rosetta, we've heard decent reports from Intel Mac users who are in fact doing this.

Native Instruments is due to release the Universal Binary version of Kontakt 2 this October. You could run VDL2 sounds in K2 without using the yet-to-be-released universal version of VDL2. Sibelius reports good compatibility with Rosetta in the meantime. There are some things that you can do to optimize the Kontakt Player in Sibelius:
1 - be sure you're using the ";eco"; sets of silver or gold.
2 - be sure reverb is off
3 - be sure to share KPlayer instruments when using tracks that use identical sounds
4 - check that latency isn't set too low in the Sib KPlayer audio options

All the above settings are made within Sibelius.

Regarding Logic, you can't run non-universal plugins in the Universal version of Logic, so unless you went the Kontakt 2 route, that won't do you much good for the time being. Incidentally, loading up all the sounds within Logic to receive MIDI-input from Sibelius is possible, though I think it requires you to properly setup the Logic environment for such use. This wouldn't be a very intuitive process from what I know (which admittedly, i'm a bit unsure how to accomplish...would like to figure that out someday). Typically, I don't enter Logic until I've finished the main writing in Sibelius and save MIDI (in Sib) to import into Logic for detailing and recording. Or if you're not too concerned with detailing recordings, you could use WireTap Pro to record playback in realtime.

If you're running VDL2 on your Intel Mac (with Rosetta), it's still good to double-check that your latency settings (in VDL2) aren't too low. If so, you'll most certainly experience clicks and other nasty bits of nasty. Essentially, the word on the street (even though not technically supported) is that VDL2/Sib on Rosetta gives similar performance to that of running it on a G4. I do this on my G4 Powerbook all the time with good results, so it's quite possible that some of your settings may simply need some tweaking. Check the ";Technical Tips"; section of [b][url=https://www.tapspace.com/support/faq]Tapspace FAQ Central[/url][/b] for some good general guidelines.

2006 is something of a time of exciting transition for Mac users. There are still many developers that have yet to release universal binaries of their software, but as with the OS9-OSX transition a few years ago, it will happen. And if you're like me, you'll find that there are generally workarounds for any problems you may currently encounter. Hang in there, and keep us posted of anything that does help your performance.
Hello,

Ok so I just got VDL2 and I'm really excited about it. I use Logic Express primarily with Kontakt 2 and it works well so far. But i also use Logic as my notation software, and when i enter snaredrum entries, and then select #drums notation, the parts disappear (in the Score editor). Is there a way to make it work? Or do I have to do twice as much work and use Finale or Sibelius after I'm done making a recording.

Thanks,

Kevin

MacBook Pro, Intel, Osx 10.4 2 gigs ram, Logic Express 7.23, Kontakt 2, VDL 2
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Hello,

Ok so I just got VDL2 and I'm really excited about it. I use Logic Express primarily with Kontakt 2 and it works well so far. But i also use Logic as my notation software, and when i enter snaredrum entries, and then select #drums notation, the parts disappear (in the Score editor). Is there a way to make it work? Or do I have to do twice as much work and use Finale or Sibelius after I'm done making a recording.

Thanks,

Kevin

MacBook Pro, Intel, Osx 10.4 2 gigs ram, Logic Express 7.23, Kontakt 2, VDL 2
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Hi Kevin!

I'm not sure what might cause the notes to disappear. Are you sure you're looking at measures that contain data? As for VDL2 notation in Logic, I won't be of much help to you since I'm not very familiar with the intricacies of how Logic handles notation. Essentially, you'll need to learn how flexible Logic is in terms of handling percussion mapping. So your display and playback are set to coordinate with the mapping within VDL. This is one reason the Sib/Fin templates are so helpful, but in terms of mapping in Logic (for good notation), that would be something more geared toward a true Logic expert. You might try the forums at Sonik Matter. Lots of heavy duty Logic wizards there:
http://community.sonikmatter.com/forums/

Or dig deeper into the documentation of Logic, or check Apple Logic forums to see if there are any options. Sorry I can't be of more help. This is definitely a subject I'd be interested to learn more about, so if you discover anything, let me know.
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