Shaking the Earth! Concert Bass Drum!

Ok...what's your secret for outiside earth shaking concert bass drum impacts?

I noticed a few corps this summer mic'd thier concert bass drums! (Yikes...this just screams Red flags to me....but I've actually thought about it.)

I have heard many different variations of High top, low bottom for tight hits with resonante impacts.

I heard a new one today actually...

Using a VF gong mallet GB1 and cutting the handle shorter for better handling. (Which when I tried this...from a distance it actually sounded closer to what I was looking for)

Either way, just thought I could pick someone elses brain on this... Mine hurts right now.

I have a 36 and a 40' Concert Bass Drums...
Actually, I've wondered the same.  What is it about the bluecoats concert bass that hums my subs, but Madison sounds like... well...

Is it the type of head?
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Either way, just thought I could pick someone elses brain on this... Mine hurts right now.

I have a 36 and a 40' Concert Bass Drums...
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A 40 foot bass drum?! That's crazy! And you're complaining about not getting enough earth shaking? I'm in Amarillo and if you hit that thing in Houston, *I* should be able to feel the earth move!

No, seriously, you putting feet instead inches reminds me of that classic scene from ";This is Spinal Tap,"; with the 18"; Stonehenge set!

Looking forward to seeing you guys this year at SMC!
So some other advice from Don Click (former head of Mystique and now promark RandD guy)

Tune both heads to E.

We started to do it today in rehearsal and it made a definite change for the better....

Would anyone else like to chime in? (Jim..... :) )

Sorry...I meant to put inches. LOL! 40 foot bass drum would be earth shaking...I would hate to see the mallet for that thing. Not too mention having to buy replacement heads. LOL!
Oh and Eric.... Look me up at the SMC...
There are different methods you can use depending on what you're going for. I've found you can get a more 'punchy'  sound if the front head is a little lower than the back head. Some people like that. Jim and I cover some different tuning and playing techniques in [b][url=https://www.tapspace.com/upfront.html]Up Front[/url][/b] as well (shameless plug). Generally, I like to have both heads tuned to the same pitch which seems to produce a sort of sympathetic vibration that you can feel in your skull. But still, it depends on what the music calls for. You might try putting a Fiberskin 3 on the batter (playing) head, and a smooth white Ambassador on the resonant (back) head.

Also, clearing concert BD heads requires some time and patience, but when well in tune can make a huge difference. When clearing, I like to listen more to the overtones since I find them easier to tune to. Also, you may find that to get that huge, subwoofer rumblin' sound on the field, ironically the drum may be tuned much higher than what you'd normally expect in a concert hall.

Good luck!
Thanks jim!

I just wanted to see if there were more tuning options out there.

I noticed as you said that when on top of the drum it does not sound anything like I thought it would about 20-30ft in front of the ensemble. Right next to the drum it sounded like it was cranked way too high. Thanks again!
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Actually, I've wondered the same.�� What is it about the bluecoats concert bass that hums my subs, but Madison sounds like... well...

Is it the type of head?
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I know that when I saw the Bluecoats and Madison at the same show back in June, the BC concert basses sounded like they were hooked into subwoofers or something compared to everyone else at that show.  They had Evans Strata heads on the front side (maybe both sides?) which I think are similiar to the Renaissance heads from Remo.  I am pretty sure they use a tuning scheme similiar to the old Cavaliers scheme of Erik Johnson where both heads are tuned to the same pitch.  Maybe someone from Bluecoats can chime in if I am wrong but that is what I think it is.

I also agree that the drum will sound WAY higher than you would think when you are right on top of it but SWEET when a ways away from it.  I also think the size and make up of the stadium helps the resonance.  By this I mean if you are playing in a concrete stadium concert basses seem to be more resonant than when playing in a stadium that only has aluminum bleachers and no concrete.
At Bluecoats, we used the strata 1400 and 1000 on the concert bass drums.  When Erik Johnson came in to work with us, he tuned heads to a C#, although I think we ended up tuning them to a D.
Erik,

Did you guys use strata 1400 on the ";batter"; side and the 1000 on the ";resonant"; side?  Also, why did you guys settle on the pitch of D instead of C#?

Thanks again!

In 03 and 04 at Cavs, we tuned both heads to a C#, with a fiberskyn on the front, and a smooth white on the back. (40"; drums though!) At Mystique, Erik almost always tuned to an Eb, but sometimes an E (36"; in this case). Same head selection as at Cavs. Hope that helps!

He used to tune the drums so well together, that you could put one 10' away from the other, hit one at piano, and the other would vibrate even LOUDER than the other one. Nuts.

Matt

PS- Erik is a concert bass drum tuning mf!
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PS- Erik is a concert bass drum tuning mf!
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Never were more true words typed...
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Erik,

Did you guys use strata 1400 on the ";batter"; side and the 1000 on the ";resonant"; side?  Also, why did you guys settle on the pitch of D instead of C#?

Thanks again!


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Yes, 1400 ";on top"; and the 100 ";on bottom";
Thanks man.  Why did you guys settle on a D instead of a C#?  Also - 40"; drums?
[quote]In 03 and 04 at Cavs, we tuned both heads to a C#, with a fiberskyn on the front, and a smooth white on the back. (40"; drums though!) At Mystique, Erik almost always tuned to an Eb, but sometimes an E (36"; in this case). [/quote]

Thanks for the tip Matt. :) Haven't you aged out yet? LOL! Graduate....You're making me feel old.
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