Finale - flams in triplets at the end of a measure

I know this isn't a finale forum, but I doubt the Finale forums would be able to answer this.

Anyway, here's something that never works for me.

I want a quarter note triplet on beat 3 with flams. Because of the flams, it seems like Finale gets confused, and puts in a bunch of extra notes and/or rests.

I've also tried doing this by creating two 8th note triplets with rests, and still no luck.

Here's how I'm doing it:
I'll enter an 8th and convert it to a grace note, then enter a quarter and define the triplet. Then enter an 8th, convert to grace, enter the following quarter, and repeat. It ends up jacked.

There must be a way to make this work.
When you try to input notes with SIMPLE ENTRY (with mouse), you are not telling the program what MIDI NOTE this should be triggering.�� The only way with using your mouse to enter the notes would be to use your arrow keys on your computer keyboard so that you move the note up or down to find the corresponding sound after you have already entered the notes.�� The percussion maps are complex enough that they require you to use some sort of Midi Keyboard (virtual or physical) to tell it what not to trigger.�� If you do not use this method of note entry, then clicking in the staff and then editing the placement is the only way.
Is there anyway (I tried the midi tool) to change the notes once entered, so
it is the appropriate sound from VDL2?

I still feel like I'm doing something wrong. I can't be the only person
who has tried to put triplets with flams at the end of measures.
Yeah...you will have to make su re that they are triggering the right notes.  t here is a bug with having CHECK FOR EXTRA NOTES...and adding tuplets at the end of measures...especially with that checked.  the best workaround is to uncheck and do it the way I described.
[quote author=Coach link=topic=1736.msg8335#msg8335 date=1178825108]
do this:

1.) Enter the eighth note - make it a grace note
2.) Enter the quarter
3.) hit ";9";
4.) enter the next two quarters
5.) click the eighth not on the simple entry palette and the grace note icon
6.) Add the grace notes before the last two quarters.

See if th is works better...this seemed to work for me.
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That gets the notation in there, but it will not be the right playback notes for VDL2, right?
With simple entry, entering tuplets at the end can be a challenge. One option would be to enter all the notes including the flams at the start of the measure, specify the tuplet with the tuplet tool, then move everything to the correct place in the measure.

Using the caps lock in speedy entry allows you to specify which note value to use when entering notes. As an example, if you have a long or extended passage of sixteenth notes rather than enter and the pitch then the rhythm, caps lock on allows you enter specify the note value one (you will see the note value number appear in the lower left corner of the measure box) then play your midi keyboard for pitch. You could enter several measures with out stopping. when the note value does need to change, select it with the number pad and enter.


Ted Boliske
do this:

1.) Enter the eighth note - make it a grace note
2.) Enter the quarter
3.) hit ";9";
4.) enter the next two quarters
5.) click the eighth not on the simple entry palette and the grace note icon
6.) Add the grace notes before the last two quarters.

See if th is works better...this seemed to work for me.
Yes. Or a bunch of notes.

Check for extra notes is off. Still not working!!!

Could some explain step for step how they do it.
Maybe I'm missing something simple.

I never have this trouble unless it's a tuplet at
the end of the measure.
Are you getting something that looks like this?

[img]http://homepage.mac.com/hirschscott/.Public/Test1.JPG[/img]

If you are getting this, try going to the SIMPLE MENU -->SIMPLE ENTRY OPTIONS.  Uncheck CHECK FOR EXTRA NOTES.
I've always used simple entry.

I'm still not getting it with speedy. I'm following your instructions,
I think correctly, but it keeps blowing away the triplet definition.

I'm not sure what the caps lock is doing.
Are you using simple entry or speedy entry to put in the notes? Actually if you are using VDL2, duh while else would you use this forum, you should be using speedy entry. Try this,

- select your measure in speedy entry

- enter option-3 (this will define the triplet)

- caps lock will allow you to define the note value and then just enter the pitches, this is an option otherwise....

- press and hold the key on your midi keyboard, enter 4 (eighth note), then cmd-G for mac or alt-G for windows

- this changes your eight to a grace note

- continue entering notes to complete, enter 5 for quarters and so on


Ted Boliske
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