Sibelius 5 annouced

Wow you're right about the measure numbering.  Almost worth it just for that :P
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Thanks for the info Jim.  Do you know the anticipated release date for the upgrade?
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Check with Sibelius. Last I recall seeing from their official announcements said by the end of June.
Thanks for the info Jim.  Do you know the anticipated release date for the upgrade?
The best source for all the various new features in the software will most definitely be the folks at Sibelius. Obviously, using the demo version is a great way to gauge if you want to do the upgrade. Though I'm sure there will be a likely host of various other changes making their way into the software before it's officially shipping. I think there are two schools of thought on software update releases. Some prefer that yearly upgrade so things seem new and fresh all the time, while others don't mind a major upgrade every couple years, assuming there's significant features in the update to warrant it.

I think you'll find that while perhaps the interface has a similar feel throughout, Sibelius 5 is a pretty massive upgrade with the overall redesign of the playback system, soundworld, and VI hosting. Heck, the new bar numbering changes are actually worth the price of admission. I also think many people will find working in plug-in mode with VDL will become a huge time-saver in launching projects and rendering audio files, but not everyone's workflow is the same, and there's no doubt that using their prior version with VDL is quite effective as well.

As always, congrats Jim on the exposure VDL is getting with Sibelius 5.

One question to those who have had time to tinker with the demo--is it worth it?  I have to say, given the time between 3 and 4, this upgrade to Sibelius 5 took me a little by surprise.

I purchased 4 pretty much solely for the embedded parts feature, which has been an utter godsend (especially on full-band scores which were a nightmare to manage in the days of export parts).  Looking at 5, the panorama change is a welcome interface improvement, but on the whole I guess I'm a little underwhelmed.  The native support of libraries is of course a great feature, but I'm perfectly content hosting VDL2.5 natively or in Kontakt and not having to deal with the hassle of bottled-up plug-ins.

The upgrade price isn't too bad (I think $170ish), especially given how much use it gets in my dock, but there really weren't a lot of productivity improvements described in the features list--which would be a more compelling reason to upgrade.  So what are people's preliminary thoughts?

(or perhaps Jim being a little more intimately-involved in the packaging will know more about what 5 has to offer)
I have been having the same issue in which I can load VDL as a VST plug-in,but cannot get the correct instruments to output. It seems that Sibelius 5 has gone away with user defined channels, and instead is designed to automatically load the correct instrument from the sound set chosen (Kontakt, GPO, VDL). I posted a question about this on the Sibelius website and this was my reply:

";We're working on a sound set file for VDL 2.5, the update that works with Kontakt Player 2, and it will be included with the full Sibelius 5 package.�� Once you have the sound set chosen, Sibelius is able to load automatically the sounds that you need for your score.";

So it looks like the full version will be up and running. I can't wait to try it out. Hope this helps.

David
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Alright, perhaps I'm having a retarded day but I'm running K2 in standalone mode and the Sib. 5 demo. I pulled up the Sib4 vdl2 template and it loads fine. What I can't figure out is how to assign channels. It's not in the mixer.

How do I do this Jim?
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Isn't it a sign that the world is about to end when Bill has to ask questions on this forum?!?

Excuse me, I'm going to stock up on bottled water and canned foods...
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Give me about another day and I'll be able to tell you everything there is to know about this program.�� So far, this is the only thing that has stumped me and I'm fairly sure it's because I'm overthinking the problem
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I have no doubt Bill!  You da man!!!
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[quote author=Bill link=topic=1785.msg8710#msg8710 date=1181358069]
Alright, perhaps I'm having a retarded day but I'm running K2 in standalone mode and the Sib. 5 demo. I pulled up the Sib4 vdl2 template and it loads fine. What I can't figure out is how to assign channels. It's not in the mixer.

How do I do this Jim?
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Isn't it a sign that the world is about to end when Bill has to ask questions on this forum?!?

Excuse me, I'm going to stock up on bottled water and canned foods...
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Give me about another day and I'll be able to tell you everything there is to know about this program.  So far, this is the only thing that has stumped me and I'm fairly sure it's because I'm overthinking the problem
[quote author=Bill link=topic=1785.msg8710#msg8710 date=1181358069]
Alright, perhaps I'm having a retarded day but I'm running K2 in standalone mode and the Sib. 5 demo.  I pulled up the Sib4 vdl2 template and it loads fine.  What I can't figure out is how to assign channels.  It's not in the mixer.

How do I do this Jim?
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Isn't it a sign that the world is about to end when Bill has to ask questions on this forum?!?

Excuse me, I'm going to stock up on bottled water and canned foods...
Alright, perhaps I'm having a retarded day but I'm running K2 in standalone mode and the Sib. 5 demo.  I pulled up the Sib4 vdl2 template and it loads fine.  What I can't figure out is how to assign channels.  It's not in the mixer.

How do I do this Jim?
MAN - this looks great!
You bet Jeremy! I just edited my previous post to sprinkle in a few more details.
Gave you some karma for that explanation Jim.  Thanks.  I will check out the demo and investigate with the glossary of the VDL manual. 
I'll do my best to give a little clarity to the situation. Ideally, you should download the demo of Sibelius 5 to experience first-hand how it all works.

Sibelius 5 comes with [b]Kontakt Player 2 (KP2)[/b]. This is a player that will run as a ";virtual instrument"; device in Sibelius (VST or AU).

Sibelius 5 also comes with a free library called ";Essentials"; which contains an array of various sounds from different developers (some limited sounds from VDL are included). This library is in KP2 format.

Other libraries you use that are in Kontakt Player 2 format (like VDL 2.5) will appear in Kontakt Player 2 as well (alongside Essentials, and any other KP2 libraries you have). So depending on which libraries a user has installed on their machine, Sibelius 5 will have the capability to sort out which patches to ideally load based on how they've set their playback configuration in Sibelius.

As you'll see when trying the demo they've made available, you can still route your MIDI out of Sibelius to a standalone player like KP2 (not hosted, but in standalone), or Kontakt 2 (in standalone), or the VDL2 player (in standalone). You'd do this by way of a virtual midi cable, the way you always have.

Other VST or AU instruments you may own (VDL2 included) would also be available to host as a plug-in directly in Sibelius.  The one exception to this would be if you're on an Intel Mac, and are using a non-intel compatible plugin (like the VDL2). Note, if you are a user of Kontakt 2, since it may also be used as an AU or VST (in addition to standalone), you could also use Kontakt 2 as your player. It's just another option.

If any of this comes off a bit confusing, it may be a good time to brush up on some of the various audio plug-in formats, which are listed in the glossary of your VDL manual. You can also check in with Sibelius directly on how certain features of their software will function.

And of course, Tapspace will continue to provide assistance (here in the forum, and on the tutorials page) on how to properly set up VDL 2.5 for use in the new version of Sibelius in due course. Furthermore, with Sibelius' support of VST, AU, and VDL 2.5 within Kontakt Player 2, they will be a great source of assistance for you as well.
Ralph may have touched on this, so please excuse my ignorance of VST.��

I have bought Sibelius 4, VDL2, Kontakt 2 all with in the past 6 months, and the programs are great.�� I just surveyed the press release for Sibelius 5 and am curious how the use of the VDL2 (and 2.5 when it ships) along with my stand alone of Kontakt will be useful for me if I upgrade to Sibelius 5?�� The press release seemed to insinuate that only certain virtual sounds would be available through Sib 5 version Kontakt 2 player, not their full libraries.�� Since I already own the VDL 2, Kontakt 2 Software, would the VST be what/how I need to run the full library applications of the software through Sib 5?��

Also, If I purchased the upgrade for Sib 5, and if it is beneficial to keep VDL 2, Kontakt 2 as stand alones, would I need�� to upgrade my RAM?�� If VDL 2.5 is going to run through Kontakt 2, Sib 5 runs through Kontakt 2, I own Kontakt 2, it seems like a RAM nightmare.��

Thanks

Jeremy
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