Sibelius 5 & Kontakt 3?

Hello,

I finally got VDL 2.5 and Sibelius 5 working correctly together with the new template. But I would like to use some sounds from my full version of Kontakt 3. I found a way to make Kontakt 3 appear as an active device under playback devices by moving the VST plugins from the kontakt 3 folder to the Sibelius folder, but I can't seem to add sounds successfully from the mixer, I think it's a sound set problem as I cannot get another sound set to load under Kontakt 3 other than ";Tapspace virtual drumline"; and other libraries I don't want like Sound Essentials as I am trying to access the Kontakt 3 library and not VDL or SSE. Any help? It's driving me crazy!!!

P.s Why are the the snares playing on the ";C"; in this new template but used to be on ";A"; in Sibelius 4 template? Is there anyway to change the Sibelius 5 Template to make the snares place on the ";A"; line? I thought it looked good that way.
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Also, I don't know much of the VST plug-ins your talking about but I did move the Kontakt 3 VST plug-ins to the Sibelius folder, oh well the patch problem is most likely still a Library Id /Sound set problem.

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Good, it sounds like you have the VST thingy figured out. You may be able to get the Library ID directly from Native Instruments. ??

Once you have that in your possession, come on back and we'll see if we can't get you started on making the sound set.
Well thanks for the info I will continue to browse the Sibelius forums but there isn't any information there about Kontakt 3. When ever I post a question it goes unanswered I guess because they can't answer it.

Well actually the Sibelius Sound Set Editor comes with an information guide, it informs you of the pages and parts which is almost obvious, it doesn't help much with how to get the desired effect from your work.

Also, I don't know much of the VST plug-ins your talking about but I did move the Kontakt 3 VST plug-ins to the Sibelius folder, oh well the patch problem is most likely still a Library Id /Sound set problem.

Thanks
Thanks Jim, you beat me to it. :D I do have a couple ideas that may help though.


Mixolydian

The first thing you may want to do is sit back, take a deep breath, and relax for a second. ... OK, now that you have done this, keep reading.


[quote author=Mixolydian link=topic=2169.msg11220#msg11220 date=1198028725]
Checking the ";Use manual sound sets"; under preferences made it easier to use sounds with the mixer; it allowed me to pick new sounds sets for the device Kontakt 3, and the one I am currently using that gives me the best usability is ";general Midi";so I just set the slots and instruments myself with the mixer. The only bad thing is after Sibelius is closed the next time the score is opened the instruments don't load, at least the instruments keep their channles, but under the mixer I need to click plug-ins and manually load the Kontakt 3 sounds all over again. So my complaint is that the patches don't load when the score is open, so nothing plays until you reload Kontakt 3 sounds in Kontakt 3 over and over again, I guess you could save the patches in Kontakt 3 but then I would have to save 2 things for 1 score.
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I don't know how much help I will be since I don't have either of the full versions of Kontakt 2 or Kontakt 3. A good bit of time may be well spent parusing the Sibelius forum - I have seen these kinds of questions there in the past.


[quote author=Mixolydian link=topic=2169.msg11220#msg11220 date=1198028725]
Is their an easier way to ensure that the patches load in kontakt 3 by themselves when loading a score instead of loading the Kontakt 3 library manually???
Would the patches be fixed by making an appropriate sound set?
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In order for Sibelius to load the patches automatically, you will need to have Sibelius host Kontakt 3 as a VST plug-in. From there you will need the Library ID number for when you start making the sound set. I don't know where to find that number (or numbers).


[quote author=Mixolydian link=topic=2169.msg11220#msg11220 date=1198028725]
Why does the Sibelius Sound Set Creator not come with instructions?? ><
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You can find the instructions for the Sound Set Editor on the same Help Center page as the link to the SSE itself. It is a PDF file.

The process of making your own sound set for the Kontakt 3 sounds you have may take some time, but I think in the long run it will have been worth it. If you can tackle this project you will have a good start on knowing your software, which is always good.

Late
Hugh


[quote author=Mixolydian link=topic=2169.msg11220#msg11220 date=1198028725]
UPDATE:

Checking the ";Use manual sound sets"; under preferences made it easier to use sounds with the mixer; it allowed me to pick new sounds sets for the device Kontakt 3, and the one I am currently using that gives me the best usability is ";general Midi";so I just set the slots and instruments myself with the mixer. The only bad thing is after Sibelius is closed the next time the score is opened the instruments don't load, at least the instruments keep their channles, but under the mixer I need to click plug-ins and manually load the Kontakt 3 sounds all over again. So my complaint is that the patches don't load when the score is open, so nothing plays until you reload Kontakt 3 sounds in Kontakt 3 over and over again, I guess you could save the patches in Kontakt 3 but then I would have to save 2 things for 1 score.

Is their an easier way to ensure that the patches load in kontakt 3 by themselves when loading a score instead of loading the Kontakt 3 library manually???
Would the patches be fixed by making an appropriate sound set?

Why does the Sibelius Sound Set Creator not come with instructions?? ><
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I would assume a sound set would help your cause, but these are all questions that the folks at Sibelius would be better equipped to answer for you.
UPDATE:

Checking the ";Use manual sound sets"; under preferences made it easier to use sounds with the mixer; it allowed me to pick new sounds sets for the device Kontakt 3, and the one I am currently using that gives me the best usability is ";general Midi";so I just set the slots and instruments myself with the mixer. The only bad thing is after Sibelius is closed the next time the score is opened the instruments don't load, at least the instruments keep their channles, but under the mixer I need to click plug-ins and manually load the Kontakt 3 sounds all over again. So my complaint is that the patches don't load when the score is open, so nothing plays until you reload Kontakt 3 sounds in Kontakt 3 over and over again, I guess you could save the patches in Kontakt 3 but then I would have to save 2 things for 1 score.

Is their an easier way to ensure that the patches load in kontakt 3 by themselves when loading a score instead of loading the Kontakt 3 library manually???
Would the patches be fixed by making an appropriate sound set?

Why does the Sibelius Sound Set Creator not come with instructions?? ><
I'm not sure about the Kontakt 3 ideas. That's not something I've tried myself, but the folks at Sibelius may have some advice for you on that. Regarding manual sound sets, have you activated the ";Allow Manual Soundsets"; checkbox in your Preferences (under ";playback";)?

Manual sound sets may have a few quirks that you'll have to figure by trial and error. I believe there's some discussion on this on the Sibelius Help Center ";chat"; pages. If you make any new discoveries, it may be worth reporting here in a new post as well. I'm sure this will be helpful information for others.
Do I have to start a new post if I have another question?
If not please answer the above question.
Do you know of anyone else that uses Kontakt 3 with Sibelius 5? I am not a pro with making sound sets, I am going to try to take on the task but I'm am wondering if you know of any site with Kontakt 3 sound sets for Sibelius 5?

P.s How do I load the sound sets? I previously downloaded some sound sets from http://www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/resources/soundsets.html and installed the XML in C:\Documents and Settings\your username\Application Data\Sibelius Software\Sibelius 5\Sounds, but when I opened Sibelius its playback devices screen, on a drop down menu for kontakt player 2 or 3 the sound set didn't show up as a sound set option, I would just like to know how to fix that now before I dive into this project just to learn for some reason I can't select that sound set from the drop down menu.

Also
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[quote author=Mixolydian link=topic=2169.msg11200#msg11200 date=1197953179]


Yes, you will need to have a sound set designed for the your ";other"; sounds you are wanting to use. Or, you can use the [b]Manual Sound Set[/b] tab in your [b]Playback Configuration[/b].

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When I have Kontakt 3 as an active device there is no sound set ";general Midi"; so when I tab over to manual sound sets it does not let me do anything. The only device I seem to be able to make a manual sound set for is the Microsoft GS Wavetable SW Synth.
[quote author=Mixolydian link=topic=2169.msg11200#msg11200 date=1197953179]
I finally got VDL 2.5 and Sibelius 5 working correctly together with the new template. But I would like to use some sounds from my full version of Kontakt 3. I found a way to make Kontakt 3 appear as an active device under playback devices by moving the VST plugins from the kontakt 3 folder to the Sibelius folder, but I can't seem to add sounds successfully from the mixer, I think it's a sound set problem as I cannot get another sound set to load under Kontakt 3 other than ";Tapspace virtual drumline"; and other libraries I don't want like Sound Essentials as I am trying to access the Kontakt 3 library and not VDL or SSE. Any help? It's driving me crazy!!!
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Yes, you will need to have a sound set designed for the your ";other"; sounds you are wanting to use. Or, you can use the [b]Manual Sound Set[/b] tab in your [b]Playback Configuration[/b]. Making your own sound set from scratch will require more work up front, but could save you tons of time on the back end if you don't want to have to load those patches yourself each and every time you open a score.

You can find the Sound Set Editor somewhere on the Sibelius [b]Help Center[/b] page. Um, here:

  [url]http://www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/resources/soundsets.html[/url]


[quote author=Mixolydian link=topic=2169.msg11200#msg11200 date=1197953179]
P.s Why are the the snares playing on the ";C"; in this new template but used to be on ";A"; in Sibelius 4 template?
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Because I had complete control over where everything in the Sib 5.1 Template was mapped and that's where I like 'em. ;)


[quote author=Mixolydian link=topic=2169.msg11200#msg11200 date=1197953179]
Is there anyway to change the Sibelius 5 Template to make the snares place on the ";A"; line?
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Absolutely! You can start by following the basic instructions on [b]Moving Notes Up/Down on the Staff[/b] in the [b]Customizing Instruments[/b] section that is toward the end of the Readme. If you need more instruction than what I provided in the Readme, feel free to spend some quality time in your Sibelius Reference.

I will once again recommend that you experiment in a ";test"; file first, or at least make a copy of the instrument and then edit the copy.


Hugh


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