I have a vibraphone loaded on the VDL2.5 Template with Kontakt player 2. It sounds good now but how do I get the pedal to work right with it? I looked at the playback dictionary that came with VDL2.5 template but it suggests me putting ctrl+t and type ";ped up"; or ";ped down"; every time I want to get that sound, I have passages where that is just to much wording and I would like to find a way to use an actual Ped. marking with a line under it to specify where to pedal or sustain and when to stop and also have that reflected in play back.

Anyone know how to do that? There is a picture of it like that on page 14 of the VDL2.5 Template guide. I would like to find out how to make it look like pedal markings for the player instead of saying a lot of words.

There are two types of Vibraphones in VDL. There are [b]Mod-Wheel (MW)[/b] controlled vibes, and there are [b]pedal (PED)[/b] controlled vibes (as in the sustain pedal midi controller). What you're describing (using pedal markings) would apply to the PED versions. So try assigning one of those instead. These instruments will sound with the pedal up (dampened), unless pedal markings are entered (which are technically controlling midi controller #64).

Using the MW vibes, you can also hide the ";ped up"; or ";ped down"; markings by first typing a tilde (~) before the words. This way they will not print in your score, but will still provide the desired midi commands.

Hope this helps!

So your saying I can't just write a Technique Expression ";ped."; under the vibe part and expect it to play back correctly? That is just for look?

How do I make it look like it does in the VDL2.5 manual? I found the Ped. under Text-Technique-expression, but where do I find the line?

Shown Here:
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In Sibelius, this kind of pedal marking is called a ";line."; Hit the L key for a shortcut.

Okay, I have the look thing going, thank you for that! But now I would like to know how you fix the sound. Okay, so I have an eighth note pattern (for example) and some melodic lines go down, and at some points they descend in minor seconds, they clash because they ring over, I used your advice and used the ~ped up & ped down technique but what this did was dampen the last note (making the  sound like a dead stroke) then continues with the pedal sustain. So my question is how do I make it to where the pedaling is not dampening notes but just clearing the overtones in between notes? Because I have 2 eighth notes next to each other in the melodic line an A# and a A natural. I would like to find a way to keep the notes before and A# and including the A# to stop ringing and continue to the A natural with out any note sounding like they were dead stroked, because obviously you don't pedal right on a note, but rather in between them.

There are essentially two sets of samples you're dealing with here. [b]Sustained notes[/b], and [b]Dampened notes[/b]. How you switch between the two depends on if you're using the MW vibes or the PED vibes.

The ~ped up or ~ped down technique text is one way to choose between these two sets of samples. So you may be finding the terminology a bit confusing. Alternating between sustained samples and dampened samples may not be what you're looking for. What might be more appropriate is to simply use all sustained samples, but to reduce the amount of ring-over that you describe, simply lower the release knob to it's lowest setting. In VDL, this is assigned to controller 20. To type this into your score (in Sibelius) simply type this as technique text:

[b]~C20,1[/b] (or you can use values between 1-127 for the last variable to increase or decrease the amount of release ringover)

When you do this, sustained samples will not ring nearly as long and may do a better job of simulating what you're looking for. Here's the thing though. The Sustain Pedal markings you're using will conflict with the CC20 messages you're using, so in this case it would be ideal for you to NOT use any sustain pedal control. You can keep the pedal markings in the score for visual purposes, but if you'd like them NOT to alter the control, be sure to select them, then UN-check the ";play on pass 1"; checkbox in the Playback portion of the properties palette.

If this is the route you choose to go, it would apply primarily to the MW vibes as opposed to the PED vibes.

I admit this isn't inherently obvious, nor totally a human way to simulate vibe pedaling, but hopefully this description may offer a way to compromise.

I type ~C20,1 in between two notes and I don't hear a difference from when that command wasn't there. I unchecked the box from playback on 1st pass for every ped. mark and I made sure I typed this text as technique text, doesn't seem to make a difference. Is there any visual way to see if this is working?

I am using med MW vibes and Sib 5.

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I type ~C20,1 in between two notes and I don't hear a difference from when that command wasn't there. I unchecked the box from playback on 1st pass for every ped. mark and I made sure I typed this text as technique text, doesn't seem to make a difference. Is there any visual way to see if this is working?

I am using med MW vibes and Sib 5.
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You can visually see if this is working by opening the Kontakt Player, and locating the correct vibraphone in the KP2 rack. As your score plays back, watch the RELEASE knob in the Vibraphone. When it encounters the text [i]~C20,1[/i] you should see the release knob turn all the way to the left to its lowest value.

See the attached file to see what I mean. Be sure to select View>Hidden Objects, so you can see the hidden MIDI commands for controller 20 (the release knob). The viewable pedal markings have been set to not playback.

It says I am not already to download the file. :/

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It says I am not already to download the file. :/
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Sorry - I think there was a permissions problem with the forum. Try it again and let me know if it works this time.

";It seems that you are not allowed to download or view attachments on this board.";

Nope.

Please be patient with me. This is a new feature on the board that I'm trying to activate as a way of being helpful for you and other members.

I will post here again when I've had a chance to figure out what's not working.

Yea, it's cool.

I'm having technical difficulties here trying to configure the attachments feature for the forum.

Instead, please download the file (it's a Sibelius 5.1 file embedded in a .zip) at [b][url=https://www.tapspace.com/images/forumimages/VibeExample.zip]this location[/url].[/b]

Wow, that explains a lot. That's great! Thanks.

For future reference where do I go to learn all the codes for these ~C29,2 things. So I can know what number controls what?