**Read this before updating to Sibelius 5.2**

Greetings,

Today, Sibelius released the 5.2 update. We are asking all Virtual Drumline users currently engaged in projects running in 5.1 to please hold off on this update for a short while. Certain items in the way Sound IDs have been reformatted will cause the prior, 5.1 Tapspace VDL sound set not to function properly and a proper template/soundset update is in the works and should be available soon.

Thanks for your patience, and please spread the word to any other VDL users you may know who are currently working within Sibelius 5.1.
Downgrade back to 5.1 before installing vdl and you should be fine
It's perfectly safe to install VDL 2.5. Once you've done that and registered, I'd also recommend updating that to 2.5.1 (via the NI Service Center program that installs with VDL).

Regarding Sibelius 5.2, it depends how much you plan to use VDL with it in the immediate timeframe. Right now, the soundset and VDL template that are formatted for 5.1 work great with 5.1. There are quite a few things in that which become broken if using those in 5.2. So it may be worth considering downgrading back to 5.1 by uninstalling Sibelius from your machine, then reinstalling from your DVD. If your DVD contains 5.0, then update to 5.1 (links are found in posts above). Sorry for the hassle - unfortunately this 5.2 update changes some things to Sibelius's sound set format that are very specific to percussion sound IDs, so it's become a bit of a monster for us to test and fix. It's being worked on, but I can't say for sure when we'll be done with it.

Hope this info helps.
Quick question:

Sibelius seems to be so unorganized with the way it is doing business lately.  Why did Sibelius create an upgrade that doesn't work with VDL 2.5 properly?  Sibelius knows you (Tapspace) exist, and to some degree supports Tapspace's efforts.  This is evident in the sense Sib 5 comes with a very basic VDL 2 soundset.  For them to make an upgrade that screws Tapspace seems highly unthoughtful and highly unorganized.

I know that there are probably hundreds of thousands of things that are needing to be reworked from Tapspace's end of things.  However, can you give some of us a rough estimate?  For example, you could let us know that in the last month you have gotten through 40% of the necessary fixes.  That way we at least have some idea, how far along you are, and can give us a good guess about how much longer.

Robby
I honestly do not see the big problem here. Granted, I know many of us like to stay up to date with certain things, but Sibelius 5.1 and VDL work pretty darn good together, so just be patient. I am sure that some of us have had problems along the way, and all the guys here at Tapspace are trying to make sure we do not have the same ones later on down the road in 5.2. Lets just all be patient and enjoy what he have. If it aint broke dont fix it.
[quote]I honestly do not see the big problem here. Granted, I know many of us like to stay up to date with certain things, but Sibelius 5.1 and VDL work pretty darn good together, so just be patient. I am sure that some of us have had problems along the way, and all the guys here at Tapspace are trying to make sure we do not have the same ones later on down the road in 5.2. Lets just all be patient and enjoy what he have. If it aint broke dont fix it.[/quote]

Well put, I second that.
Please keep in mind that this new playback structure in Sibelius 5 is very different than the old way of doing things manually via midi channels and such. The whole concept of Sound IDs is very progressive and some of these changes in 5.1 to 5.2 are to ensure better compatibility as the software moves forward.

As to the idea that Sibelius is unorganized, the truth is quite the contrary. Much of the reason VDL works so well in Sibelius 5 is due to their commitment to accommodating every inherent detail with complex percussion mapping. Virtual Drumline has been really helping drive that development and Sibelius has been very accommodating for such a daunting feat. So before getting too worked up over a brief delay in an incremental update, realize how much is possible now that wasn't possible even less than a year ago.

Things are progressing as quickly as possible, but please be patient so we can ensure things are working as well as possible moving forward.
I've been very busy with my Sibelius 5.1 and VDL 2.5.1 so I haven't had the opportunity to visit the Forum as much in the past month or so. 
I just wanted to say that I am very satisfied with the results that I get with my software (Sibelius and VDL).  Patience is definitely a virtue and a skill that is developed. 
Once again, I am in no way bashing Tapspace and VDL 2.5, or how well it worked with Sibelius 5.1.  I thought it worked really well.  My frustration, is that Sibelius released an update that either was unannounced to Tapspace, or didn't take them into consideration.  Some of us, myself included downloaded, the update before realizing that I shouldn't have.  You would think that Sib would let Tapspace know of its update and change to give them time to get things going before they release an update that is somewhat incompatible with the current VDL soundset.

Robby
How 'bout this one:

I just bought and installed Sibelius (and VDL 2.5), and the disk comes with v.5.2.

Before realizing the mistake I was making (in other words, before checking the forum), I went ahead and downloaded the 5.1 template, since it seemed to be the easiest way to get started using the VDL instruments, and went on my merry way arranging my show for next year.

I've got about a minute's worth of show completed, and the next section starts with a hi-hat 16th note check pattern, and on playback, it's all over the place in terms of pulse.  So I come here to see if that's a known issue, and of course come across this announcement.

Um...help?  Will I have to wait until the new template comes out to finish the show?  When the new template does come out, am I going to have to re-input all the show I've already written?

Or is the issue I'm experiencing even related to the template?  The sound itself is fine, it's just the pulse (I've actually noticed it some, to a much smaller degree, in some of the wind instruments as well).

Thanks in advance!  *crosses fingers* 

(edit) P.S.  Just noticed everyone's posting their system specs...1.8ghz Dual Core, 1GB RAM
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How 'bout this one:

I just bought and installed Sibelius (and VDL 2.5), and the disk comes with v.5.2.

Before realizing the mistake I was making (in other words, before checking the forum), I went ahead and downloaded the 5.1 template, since it seemed to be the easiest way to get started using the VDL instruments, and went on my merry way arranging my show for next year.

I've got about a minute's worth of show completed, and the next section starts with a hi-hat 16th note check pattern, and on playback, it's all over the place in terms of pulse.�� So I come here to see if that's a known issue, and of course come across this announcement.

Um...help?�� Will I have to wait until the new template comes out to finish the show?�� When the new template does come out, am I going to have to re-input all the show I've already written?

Or is the issue I'm experiencing even related to the template?�� The sound itself is fine, it's just the pulse (I've actually noticed it some, to a much smaller degree, in some of the wind instruments as well).

Thanks in advance!�� *crosses fingers*��

(edit) P.S.�� Just noticed everyone's posting their system specs...1.8ghz Dual Core, 1GB RAM
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Mab - Sorry for the delay with the 5.2 template. The good news is that it sounds like you're experiencing pretty good results in terms of getting your actual sounds out. This is good. If your main concern is simply the timing of the sounds, this may just have something to do with your audio settings within Sibelius. Go into the ";Playback Devices"; window and click the ";Audio Engine Options"; button. Your ";buffer size"; setting here will raise or lower your latency which can sometimes have an affect on timing. Try fiddling with this setting to see if you achieve better results, and let us know if that helps.

You will be fine to use the 5.1 template within Sibelius 5.2. Which [b]sound set[/b] you use (within the Playback Devices window) will determine how well all the details of each instrument will perform. Once the 5.2 template (and sound sets) have been released, there will be a specific sound set to assign when using a score originating in the 5.1 template. I know this sounds confusing, but we will do our best to document this clearly.

In the meantime, you may also want to try using Hugh's (chznvrt) ";unofficial"; sound set which he's made available via a link posted earlier in this topic. Some people have been using that with pretty good results.
Thanks very much, Mr. Casella...that's a very useful dialog box!  It helped a little, though I'm still experiencing some weird glitches with the wind instruments (not your bag, I know).

I got to fiddling around with those sixteenth notes, and finally figured out that it's MUCH better if I take the ";closed"; symbol off of each note--it seems to cause problems when both that and the accent are over a note, and I wonder if [i]that's[/i] where the ";5.1/5.2"; issue comes in?  I'm going to try out that sound set you mentioned (is it just as simple as selecting the new sound set, or will I have to re-assign each instrument individually?) and see if that helps, but for now, it's certainly acceptable to have a looser hi-hat sound for that section.
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Thanks very much, Mr. Casella...that's a very useful dialog box!�� It helped a little, though I'm still experiencing some weird glitches with the wind instruments (not your bag, I know).

I got to fiddling around with those sixteenth notes, and finally figured out that it's MUCH better if I take the ";closed"; symbol off of each note--it seems to cause problems when both that and the accent are over a note, and I wonder if [i]that's[/i] where the ";5.1/5.2"; issue comes in?�� I'm going to try out that sound set you mentioned (is it just as simple as selecting the new sound set, or will I have to re-assign each instrument individually?) and see if that helps, but for now, it's certainly acceptable to have a looser hi-hat sound for that section.
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If you want to try out the unofficial sound set, all you'll need to do is install it (by placing the XML file in the ";Sounds"; folder - the same one you installed your other VDL sound set into that was included with the 5.1 template). Once you've done that, then restarted Sibelius, you should see it as an option in the Playback Devices window where you can assign it to any active KP2 instances. You won't need to reassign any instruments in the actual score. Since this is an ";unofficial"; release, your mileage may vary.
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... [size=12pt]your mileage may vary[/size].

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;D ;D
i need to downgrade to 5.1 but i dont know why, maybe the guys who run sibelius are punishing us drummers, i dont know, but the site doesnt have 5.1 any more... only 5.2 >.<"; heeeelp! please.
Jojo - The 5.2 template is actually available now so there's no need to downgrade to 5.1. Sorry if there was any confusion - it was announced in a different thread a few weeks ago. Here's the info:

https://www.tapspace.com/support/tutorials/sib52.html
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