Marimbas only come with rolls

No, I am not hungry, just had some Chik-Fil-A.  When I input the notes for a solo marimba piece, it is rolling on every note.  There are no articulations on the note and is has the regular, stock notehead.  Not sure what is going on.  I did not see any VDL 2.5 instruments in the instrument list when I created my project, so that might be a problem.  When I go into ";Playback Devices..."; I do have one instance of Kontakt Player 2 loaded with the ";VDL Sound Set 5.2";.  Not too sure what else could be going on with it.

Anybody ever had this happen?  I usually search for a long time through the forums...have a Thursday game tonight and have to get some music out to my middle schoolers tomorrow.  Gotta love TX football-three Thursday games this year!  Woo-woo!!

Also, I see that there is a new 5.2.5 update for Sibelius.  Is this kosher with our lovely VDL setups at the current time?

All the best,
Mike


Yeah, this is what my problem was, too.  Was not adding from the template.  DUH!  That's almost step 1! 
I know this is an old topic, but Jesse your suggestion just fixed a problem for me that was really bugging me. Thanks for the find - almost a year ago!
I just ran into this problem.  I have a new MacBook Pro, just installed all of my software, opened the template for the first time, and the marimba is stuck rolling unless I move the mod wheel during playback.  Adding ~C1,1 to the start of the score doesn't help.

Here's what I found.  I wasn't adding the Marimba from the template, I was adding it from the normal Sibelius 5 bank of instruments so it would automatically be grand staff.  When I chose Marimba from the VDL section, then it was fine.  I incorrectly assumed that pitched percussion didn't need the template.

To get the grand staff back, edit the house style, then re-add the instrument.
OH!  Sorry, using Sib 5 now.  That would be helpful information to update!  Thanks!
Rather than starting a new score, I'd recommend you start from a fresh copy of the Sibelius/VDL Template, which you can download at:
https://www.tapspace.com/updates

If you're certain there are no hidden controller changes lurking in your score, it's possible that you may have saved your KP2 multi with the marimba mod-wheel in the ";up"; position. In Kontakt Player, try reloading your marimba patch(es), then immediately save the multi.

Not sure if that's the case. It wouldn't quite add up if you're seeing the roll recur everytime you start playback. That's what led to my initial guess that you have a controller change lurking around somewhere in there.

Sometimes controller changes can occur due to certain text within the playback dictionary. For example, some people may have created a dictionary item in Sibelius 4 saying ";to edge"; so that it automatically creates a C1 value of 127. It may be a long shot, but maybe check if there's some text applied that could be somehow causing the mod-wheel to move. Something's telling it to move whenever you playback, right? If so, I'd still think it's probably something within your score.
It's something more than all of this.  This is marimba solo.  Zero controller changes.  I definitely checked for those.  It is defaulting to rolling every note.  Only during playback can I change the sound with the mod wheel.  When I export the audio file, it still has rolls.  I did start a new one.  Same exact thing!

I just got fed up and started a new score for the MS timpani piece.  It seems that there are no VDL instruments to select from the New score dialog boxes.  I seem to remember there being VDL instruments to choose from on the opening of a new score.  Maybe not.  I have watered a lot of beats since I started my new scores for marching show stuff.

Thanks for any advice!
[quote author=Jim Casella link=topic=2764.msg14732#msg14732 date=1224097340]
Mike,

It sounds like you probably have an unresolved controller change written into your score at some point. At any point in your score (most likely prior to the section you're having trouble with), if any of the marimba parts have a ~C1,127 message (to switch to rolls), be sure to enter another controller change to return the mod-wheel back to the ";down"; position when you want the part to switch back to regular hits (~C1,1). Note: be sure that ";view hidden objects"; is switched on.

If you have multiple staves sharing a common marimba patch in KP2, be sure you check [i]all[/i] those staves as one controller message will affect any other staves that share that channel. This is one reason it can be helpful to have each staff sending out to a unique channel.

If you're unsure or don't want to spend the time to dig out the rogue controller change, you can always just enter a ~C1,1 in all your marimba staves to ensure your mod-wheel is receiving the ";down"; message.
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In addition to Jim's suggestion, you may also want to use the Advanced Filter to find any controller changes in the score:

Select the entire score, and use Edit > Advanced Filter to filter text starting with ~C and then delete them (after ensuring you have no such messages you wish to keep).


Mike,

It sounds like you probably have an unresolved controller change written into your score at some point. At any point in your score (most likely prior to the section you're having trouble with), if any of the marimba parts have a ~C1,127 message (to switch to rolls), be sure to enter another controller change to return the mod-wheel back to the ";down"; position when you want the part to switch back to regular hits (~C1,1). Note: be sure that ";view hidden objects"; is switched on.

If you have multiple staves sharing a common marimba patch in KP2, be sure you check [i]all[/i] those staves as one controller message will affect any other staves that share that channel. This is one reason it can be helpful to have each staff sending out to a unique channel.

If you're unsure or don't want to spend the time to dig out the rogue controller change, you can always just enter a ~C1,1 in all your marimba staves to ensure your mod-wheel is receiving the ";down"; message.
OK.  Fixed it adjusting the mod wheel while the piece is playing.  Not before or after, but during.  Just in case anyone else needs that !!

Mike
OK.  That only worked once for some reason.  Now it has rolls on every note again.  Not sure that Bach would be proud if my kids played the piece like that!

Anyone have any suggestions?  Sorry, I am usually Captain try everything until it works...nothing seems to do it!

Thanks,
Mike
I learned that trick from Jim during my Sibelius 4 days.  Sometimes when I'd playback something that ended with a controller change roll it wouldn't reset when I started playback over.  A quick flip of the mod wheel and all was well again.
Guess I should heed the ";Are you sure you want to post, someone just replied to your post"; thing.  Bill's suggestion worked. 

It is strange to me that the mod wheel would affect playback even ignoring Technique text that says ";nat."; or ";natural"; or ";reset";.  But after about 5 years of messing with MIDI land stuff, I still know just enough to be dangerous (which is not my middle name).

Thanks, Bill!


Mike
I should also mention that it was working fine until recently.  Not sure if my iMac had a traumatic experience.  I have been nice to it, but what it does when I leave the office is its own business.  I did have Sib 5 and VDL 2.5 working very well.  They do rock when working.

Mike


Hey Mike,

Out of curiosity, is your mod wheel on your keyboard all the way or all the way down?  If it's up, scroll it back down and try playing back.  If it's down, scroll it all the way then all the way back down and see if that helps.
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