3 slash notes play back as superbuzz

Hey all,

      Long time VDL and Sibelius user here. I followed the directions for sib 6 and and new template v.6 exactly. I have the reccomended versions of Kontakt and VDL 2.5.2.

For some reason, my 2 and 3 slashed snare notes play back as a super fast buzzing sound (not the sampled one, but the single file triggered like 64 times a second)

Also, in my list of instruments it has two versions of many of the instruments. For example, if I go to add new instruments and I look in VDL template 6.0a -> Drumline Battery I get this.

Snareline Manual
Snareline Manual (A)
Snareline Manual lite
Snareline Manual lite (A)

and so on

Did I get a corrupted file download? Or is there some kind of user error going on here?

FYI: Buzz rolls, marimba rolls ect. Play back fine, but on drumline instruments the 3 slashes doesn't work. The 3 slashes do work fine when not using the 6.0 template though.
After more searching I found an old post where I had this problem in Sib 5.
https://www.tapspace.com/forums/index.php?topic=2175.0

Oddly enough, 3 slashes on a quarter note using the default sib 6 template with the stock (integrated) VDL samples plays a 32nd note roll. Is there some way I can make this happen in the VDL template? *without hidden layers*

**update
If I use the ";sibelius sounds"; playback device, open a new default score, then add the marching snareline sound that comes with sibelius, 3 slashes on a quarternote plays back as 32nd notes.

If I use Sibelius sounds playback device, open the VDL6.0a Template and paste in the same measure, I get SUPERBUZZ!

So I kept every variable the same sans template.
Make sure you scan through the ReadMe that came with the 6.0a template. 

-If you're trying to get buzz rolls, you would probably want to use the 'z' tremolo marking instead of the 2 or three note slashes, as is shown in the Mapping Diagrams in the Template ReadMe.  That will help you avoid the dreaded MIDI machine gun :)

-The (A) SnareLine instrument simply have the main hits on the A space instead of C as an alternative notation scheme.  This was added with the 6.0 template.  So, no, you didn't get a corrupted file - just some new additions to the existing template. This thing keeps getting better with every version tat comes out!

-Using the three note slash on a 'hit' sample will give you a 32nd note roll, but it's all using the same hand, so it's going to sound like a one handed roll... without the use of a rim like Dave Weckl :)

Hope that gets you back to normal again.
I want to get a quarter note with 3 slashes to play as 32nds, but it's triggering the sample a million times. I don't care if it sounds like a 1 handed roll, I just want 32nd's.

Check out my edit to the post right above yours.
GOT IT!!!!

Ok in the default Sib template playback dictionary -> articulations
";8 tremelos"; is set to ";Subdivide 8 times";

In the tapspace Templates it is set to ";unmeasured";

I just had to change it to subdivide again!!!
p.s. Thanks for the help Bryan ;)  I read through all the text of the read me but I missed the whole snareline (A) part.

Hummm. I hope this doesn't mess with my marimba rolls....
Ok, your problem is that you're using the Sibelius Sounds playback device.  That uses the Sibelius playback engine rather than Kontakt Player 2.  You need to make sure you've updated to Kontakt Player 2.2.4 or higher and create a new playback instance that uses KP2 with the VDL Template 6.0a soundset.
Good to hear. Enjoy!
[quote author=Bryan Harmsen link=topic=3666.msg19279#msg19279 date=1274760595]
Ok, your problem is that you're using the Sibelius Sounds playback device.  That uses the Sibelius playback engine rather than Kontakt Player 2.  You need to make sure you've updated to Kontakt Player 2.2.4 or higher and create a new playback instance that uses KP2 with the VDL Template 6.0a soundset.
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I tried with both the sibelius sounds and the sound set i'm supposed to use. Sorry if my last entry was confusing, I set it back to sibelius sounds to try to isolate the roll problem. Turns out the issue was a difference in the playback dictionary, not the soundset.

Doesn't matter anyways, the marimba rolls don't playback correctly anymore when the dictionary is set to subdivide, so I guess I'm going to have it go back to writing out diddles with one slash. Oh well.
How difficult (if even possible) would it be to set tremolos to behave differently on a per instrument basis? If I could tell Sibelius to subdivide tremolos for battery only then in theory it would not affect the samples of Cym. and marimba rolls and stuff.
OOo! I got it, what about creating a custom tremolo articulation for battery use only?
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I tried with both the sibelius sounds and the sound set i'm supposed to use. Sorry if my last entry was confusing, I set it back to sibelius sounds to try to isolate the roll problem. Turns out the issue was a difference in the playback dictionary, not the soundset.

Doesn't matter anyways, the marimba rolls don't playback correctly anymore when the dictionary is set to subdivide, so I guess I'm going to have it go back to writing out diddles with one slash. Oh well.
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You are correct about the dictionary. However, I currently don't know of a way to have it both ways (subdivide the note [i]and[/i] trigger sampled rolls).

[quote author=perpetualpoet link=topic=3666.msg19282#msg19282 date=1274761316]
How difficult (if even possible) would it be to set tremolos to behave differently on a per instrument basis? If I could tell Sibelius to subdivide tremolos for battery only then in theory it would not affect the samples of Cym. and marimba rolls and stuff.
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I'll dig in a little further and see what I can find.
[quote author=perpetualpoet link=topic=3666.msg19283#msg19283 date=1274761469]
OOo! I got it, what about creating a custom tremolo articulation for battery use only?
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That could work. Assuming you're not already using Custom Articulation 2 or 3, you could apply a three slash symbol to one of them. From what I can tell though, you'll need to make the three slash symbol yourself before it is applied to the Custom Articulation.

On the other hand, you wouldn't need to apply a symbol at all to get it to playback the way you want. Just change the dictionary to reflect the subdivision you want (i.e. 8 times to say, Custom Articulation 2), and then use said articulation.

That could work. Assuming you're not already using Custom Articulation 2 or 3, you could apply a three slash symbol to one of them. From what I can tell though, you'll need to make the three slash symbol yourself before it is applied to the Custom Articulation.

On the other hand, you wouldn't need to apply a symbol at all to get it to playback the way you want. Just change the dictionary to reflect the subdivision you want (i.e. 8 times to say, Custom Articulation 2), and then use said articulation.
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Sweet thanks! I'll see if I can work on that later tonight. But everything you said makes sense. Apparently you can set any articulation to subdivide 8 times! I'll report back soon.
[quote author=chznvrt link=topic=3666.msg19285#msg19285 date=1274762198]

On the other hand, you wouldn't need to apply a symbol at all to get it to playback the way you want. Just change the dictionary to reflect the subdivision you want (i.e. 8 times to say, Custom Articulation 2), and then use said articulation.
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Thanks for the tip! Here's the quick fix I worked on that I can live with.

[b]Step 1:[/b] Go to Dictionary -> Articulations and Define custom articulation 2 to 8 tremolos.

[b]Step 2:[/b] Put a quarter note on the staff

[b]Step 3:[/b] Put the 3 slash tremolo on it, select it, then go into the Properties playback menu and deselect the ";Tremelo Play"; box a the bottom.

[b]Step 4:[/b] Assign the custom articulation 2 to the note (located above the stacattissimo, this will not change appearance of the note)

[b]Step 5:[/b] Save that one note to the ";ideas"; window

[b]Optional step 6:[/b] Repeat step 2-5 with half and whole notes (don't need to redo step 1, apparently if you put your custom articulation on a whole note, it still plays back correctly, meaning it plays 32 notes instead of 8 )

[b]Optional step 7:[/b] Repeat steps 1-6 but use custom articulation 3 this time, define it to 4 tremolos, and use the 2 slash tremolo so 8th note rolls play back correctly.

[b]Mandatory step 8:[/b] Export the file as Manuscript paper


So this way, whenever I want to get battery rolls to playback correctly without writing every diddle out, I just pull up the ideas window and copy/paste the note into the score. Then I can move it anywhere I want! (i.e. use the same ";idea"; for snare/bass/tenors ect.) Finally a use for the ideas window!!!!

Note: this will play back your rolls with only a RH sample, so only use this method if you don't mind that.
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