Hi everyone,

There are certain samples from VDL that I would like to have in .wav format. Is there any way to extract the samples from the .nkx files to any regular sound format?

Thanks!

There may be, but I think it would be a violation of the user agreement.

The individual samples are all locked in the 3 .nkx files.  There's not a way to extract them.

Are we allowed to make sample recordings (by recording a file in Sibelius) of a single sound and run it through a sampler for an indoor show?

You may not use individual samples from VDL placed in another sampler, according to the license. You may, however, use a string of VDL samples that have become a ";composition"; though....

I have previously used a combination of the BD, Gong, and Taiko sound, combined into one .aiff file for easy one handed triggering... Jim- how does that fit in with the license? It's not using individual samples, but is it enough to qualify as a actual composition? Very interesting gray area, for sure.

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Are we allowed to make sample recordings (by recording a file in Sibelius) of a single sound and run it through a sampler for an indoor show?
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Unfortunately, this is not really allowed. You can, however, trigger VDL live for an indoor show by simply loading VDL instruments in Kontakt Player (or Kontakt), and controlling it with a MIDI device. Granted, this would require you to have a laptop integrated into your setup.

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You may not use individual samples from VDL placed in another sampler, according to the license. You may, however, use a string of VDL samples that have become a ";composition"; though....

I have previously used a combination of the BD, Gong, and Taiko sound, combined into one .aiff file for easy one handed triggering... Jim- how does that fit in with the license? It's not using individual samples, but is it enough to qualify as a actual composition? Very interesting gray area, for sure.
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I hear ya. Technically, you've created a ";new sample"; by doing this, however it's toeing the line with the intended license agreement. If you needed to combine sounds like this for live use, ideally NI would likely prefer you customize an instrument within the full version of Kontakt and then trigger this Kontakt instrument with a controller. Essentially, resampling isn't something we encourage, even if it's for the purpose of combining sounds.

Ok. Thanks Jim!

Thanks for the info.

Now I have to ask. Is there any specific reason why the VDL samples cannot be extracted, but many other libraries allow this? The samples I wanted to have in .wav format were all either not in other libraries (to my knowledge) or in some cases I just preferred the sound of the VDL instrument.
For example, what other libraries have samples of zilbels, echo chimes, water triangle etc?
Also, why are the samples that are in Sibelius in .wav format? Those samples are not encrypted in any special file and most are taken from VDL.

I'm just curious, to which libraries are you referring that allow you to extract individual samples? As far as I know, that's against the license agreements for pretty much every commercial library on the market. If you are in fact doing that with other commercial library, you're probably violating their license agreement.

If by ";extract"; you mean that you can access the samples, there certainly might be some libraries that allow or give easier access to them, but I'm certain that using them in your own configuration of sounds is a violation of their terms of use. I've attached an image of the standard East West License Agreement which is even more detailed than the VDL license, due to the fact that they have loops included with the library.

It's good that you're asking questions and making sure that you're doing the right thing, but I'm genuinely curious to know which other libraries you're referencing.

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I'm just curious, to which libraries are you referring that allow you to extract individual samples? As far as I know, that's against the license agreements for pretty much every commercial library on the market. If you are in fact doing that with other commercial library, you're probably violating their license agreement.

If by ";extract"; you mean that you can access the samples, there certainly might be some libraries that allow or give easier access to them, but I'm certain that using them in your own configuration of sounds is a violation of their terms of use. I've attached an image of the standard East West License Agreement which is even more detailed than the VDL license, due to the fact that they have loops included with the library.

It's good that you're asking questions and making sure that you're doing the right thing, but I'm genuinely curious to know which other libraries you're referencing.
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I guess most of the large/well-known libraries don't seem to encourage extracting samples. By extract I mean that I can play the file as a normal sound on my computer as a .wav file or some other file-type. I have no plans to use them as live sounds in a marching band or drumline show or anything like that, just for myself.

Many of the smaller percussion and other libraries keep the individual wav samples in a folder accessible to anyone. They are not stored in a special nki/nks/nkx/etc file. Right now I'm in a hurry, so I can't post links to the specific libraries that I'm talking about. If you'd like I'll be happy to do that later though.

Like I said before most of the samples I need are effects (hits/rolls on a few specific cymbals, various gongs, one hit on both zil-bels, echo chimes, water triangle, stuff like that).