I am wondering if VDL and Sib 7 are going to play nice together?  I just pre-ordered Sib 7 and would like to be use VDL for the sounds. 

Robby

I think I'll definitely wait until compatibility is confirmed before I upgrade. With the integration from the current Sibelius, I'd like to think VDL 2.5 should be a pretty smooth upgrade. However, the templates could be another story. I'm sure The Write Score will be on top of it once they get a chance to try out the application.

ON a side note.... Holy Hard Drive Space Batman! It looks like the sound libraries provided in Sibelius 7 got huge.

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Is it just me or do the new Rumble sounds included with Sibelius 7 sound a lot like VDL 1?

[url=http://media-cdn.avid.com/media/audio/web/Scott_Johnson-Rumble.mp3]http://media-cdn.avid.com/media/audio/web/Scott_Johnson-Rumble.mp3[/url]

Looks like they're not including the Tapspace sounds anymore?

In addition, after listening to the ";new"; sounds as well, I think I'll hold off on giving 36GB of drive space away and just install the app.

[url=http://media-cdn.avid.com/media/audio/web/Adrian_Drover-Jus_Doit.mp3]http://media-cdn.avid.com/media/audio/web/Adrian_Drover-Jus_Doit.mp3[/url]

[url=http://media-cdn.avid.com/media/audio/web/Bourgeois-A_Dorset_Celebration.mp3]http://media-cdn.avid.com/media/audio/web/Bourgeois-A_Dorset_Celebration.mp3[/url]

As a Kontakt Player-based library, Virtual Drumline will work fine with Sibelius 7.  It's recommended to use VDL within [url=https://www.native-instruments.com/#/en/products/producer/kontakt-player/]Kontakt 4 Player[/url] rather than the older Kontakt Player 2. I'd also recommend updating your [url=https://www.tapspace.com/pages.php?pageid=51]VDL library to the current version[/url].

Avid has gone a different direction, and as such, The VDL percussion sounds (including concert percussion) that used to come included with their ";Essentials"; library will not be included in Sibelius 7. We're grateful so many Sibelius users had free access to our instruments in Sibelius 5 and Sibelius 6. We put a lot of love into them, and I think they'll be missed. Fortunately, the full version of VDL will still work just fine in Sibelius 7 for those who still need a full and versatile set of reasonably priced concert and marching percussion samples.

And VDL isn't going anywhere, so please don't worry about that! ;)

I know Hugh has been hard at work on updating the VDL Templates for Sibelius 7, so expect some news from him over at [url=http://www.thewritescore]The Write Score[/url] sometime soon.

Yeah... The percussion demo reminds me of old finale sounds... Why would they pick marimba ";rolls"; as a good demonstration of the sounds?? I think the percussion sounds have definitely taken a big step backwards, and a 10-fold increase in the size of the program (with not near that level of improvement) has me agreeing with Justin... I will probably just use Kontakt 4 and VDL and bypass sib sounds completely... I'll only upgrade because I know Avid will stop supporting Sib 6 on Lion like they did with 5 and Snow Leopard!

*** Use this information at your own risk ***

Just did a very very crude test of figuring everything out with Sibelius 7, VDL, and TheWriteScore template (v6).

All seems to work well, dump the xml file in Sibelius via a different route though.

On a Mac...

Right Click ";Sibelius";
Click ";Show Package Contents"; (Don't mess with this stuff... seriously [other than this])
Travel to... Contents/Components/Sounds/
Drop the .xml file from TheWriteScore (v6) in here.

Everything else is as the direction have stated in the template ReadMe file.

Oh and as Jim said, use Kontakt Player 4 (Kontakt Player 2 didn't even show up for me).

I anticipate Hugh will take advantage of Sibelius 7 in some great new way, maybe this will help those on the bleeding edge get by till then.

Again... use at your own risk and happy writing!

I do have some great things planned for the next round of templates. More on that later.

Go to [url=http://www.thewritescore.com/forum/index.php?topic=71.0]http://www.thewritescore.com/forum/index.php?topic=71.0[/url] to see my notes on the immediate subject.

[quote author=Jim Casella link=topic=4089.msg21462#msg21462 date=1311894805]Avid has gone a different direction, and as such, The VDL percussion sounds (including concert percussion) that used to come included with their ";Essentials"; library will not be included in Sibelius 7. We're grateful so many Sibelius users had free access to our instruments in Sibelius 5 and Sibelius 6. We put a lot of love into them, and I think they'll be missed
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That's unfortunate to hear. These sounds are important to those on a music-writing team that don't own VDL. The SoundWorld system at least gave non-VDL users a semblance of what it actually written using VDL and an appropriate template.

Any idea if the next-best substitute used by SoundWorld is anywhere close to accurate?

I'm testing that later today.

I have clients that will not bother installing the Sib 5 or 6 Essentials library when the school year starts with re-imaged or new computers. Since they don't use VDL, the easy transition from full VDL to the Essentials library was nice when working with multiple arrangers.

[url=http://www.samplelogic.com/rumble.html]http://www.samplelogic.com/rumble.html[/url]

$299.00 is a bit much for a library that doesn't come close to the quantity and quality that VDL 2.5 offers.

[quote author=Joe link=topic=4089.msg21468#msg21468 date=1311950629]
[quote author=Jim Casella link=topic=4089.msg21462#msg21462 date=1311894805]Avid has gone a different direction, and as such, The VDL percussion sounds (including concert percussion) that used to come included with their ";Essentials"; library will not be included in Sibelius 7. We're grateful so many Sibelius users had free access to our instruments in Sibelius 5 and Sibelius 6. We put a lot of love into them, and I think they'll be missed
[/quote]

That's unfortunate to hear. These sounds are important to those on a music-writing team that don't own VDL. The SoundWorld system at least gave non-VDL users a semblance of what it actually written using VDL and an appropriate template.

Any idea if the next-best substitute used by SoundWorld is anywhere close to accurate?
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I think that this is actually a good thing for Virtual Drumline. If people want these sounds, they'll have to get the real deal, not just a very stripped down version of it included with the software.

Don't confuse SoundWorld with either of the Essentials or 7 Sounds sample libraries. SoundWorld is the ";engine";, if you will, that helps integrate any and all libraries that a person may choose to use.

They definitely took a step back with the marching sounds. Unless I'm missing something, there are no buzz roll sounds for snares (see attached)? There's a roll sound, but it's just a normal roll.

I tried switching from the Sib 6 Essentials set to the Sibelius 7 one and had some mixed/poor results...

The sound set calls them buzz rolls. The only thing I can think of is that a non-percussionist approved them as such. I don't know. That's what people get for now anyways.

Oh well.

I do really like 64-bit support, the ribbon has been fine so far for finding things I forgot the keystroke for, the new text font is nice, and the new Inspector has saved some time.

[quote author=chznvrt link=topic=4089.msg21470#msg21470 date=1311953075]Don't confuse SoundWorld with either of the Essentials or 7 Sounds sample libraries. SoundWorld is the ";engine";, if you will, that helps integrate any and all libraries that a person may choose to use.
[/quote]I'm not confusing SoundWorld with a sound library. The way I understand it, if the exact sound Sibelius is looking for isn't there (as occurs when a VDL-based score is played back by a user that doesn't have VDL) the SoundWorld engine finds the next-best sound that is actually available. Currently, in Sibelius 5 and 6, SoundWorld finds a next-best sound in the Essentials library that isn't too unrealistic, at least for basic notation. I was asking if SounWorld finds an appropriate next-best sound in Sib 7.

[quote author=Joe link=topic=4089.msg21489#msg21489 date=1312216898]
... I was asking if SounWorld finds an appropriate next-best sound in Sib 7.
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OK, I see what you're asking. Yes, that is one of the things that SoundWorld is designed to do.