Cyclone parts

Glock part

m124: beat two is notated on a different toms pitch. Since the score indicates the player is to only have one drum, I assume this is a simple typo.


m195: there is a stray percussion clef marking.



Timpani

m19: there is no key signature notated in the part.


m36: there is no key signature notated in the part.


m39 (D): there is no key signature in the score.


Presumably this should be three flats everywhere, accounting for the unpitched cymbal parts.


m24: throughout the piece some tuning changes are notated and some are not, which is confusing. Unless I am reading something wrong, or the part is intended for more than 4 timpani, somewhere between m24 and m39 the player needs to retune the 23" drum from G-sharp to E-flat, and retune the 32" drum from D to F.


m56: Tuning changes are not clear. "ped." from E-flat to F is noted, but this leaves the next E-flat unaccounted for. Either an additional "ped." should indicate the need to pedal back to E-flat, and then note that this drum needs to get back to F for m69, or there needs to be an indication to pedal the 26"; drum up to E-flat and then back to D in m57, then get it back to an E-flat for m71. The former option seems easier.


m60: the tuning change for the 32" drum is notated. However, it is also necessary here to retune the 29"; drum to A and retune the 26"; drum to D-flat.


m74: after the m60 note to tune to F-sharp, this pitched is notated enharmonically as G-flat.


m77 (J): retune instructions are for E G C E, but this does not account for the D in m102.


m133: the timpani solo starting in this measure doesn't seem feasible without either a fifth drum tuned to high G, or without "sliding" all of needed pitches down one drum (i.e. previous tuning is E-flat G D-flat E; this could in theory be shifted to G D-flat E G, which fits on four drums but would be a pain to achieve while playing the music). It seems this latter strategy may be the intent given the tuning instruction in m144 and the fact that a 29"; drum cannot typically achieve a low E.


m150: tuning instruction should refer to D-flat, not C-sharp, since D-flats are notated.


m167: low E needs to be retuned to A-flat.


m174: A-flat needs to be retuned to low F to be ready for m176. D needs to be retuned to C to be ready for m187.


m182: the low E needs to be retuned to E-flat


m201: somewhere prior to this bar the B-flat needs to become a B.

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[b]Percussion 1 part[/b]
The instrumentation list lists a single splash cymbal and the suggested setup shows a single splash cymbal. However, in measures 58, 143, and 144, two splash cymbals appear to be notated. The ";x"; notehead on the ";C"; space is also used for the trash can lid and snare drum rimshot notation in this part, so this is somewhat ambiguous.
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The timpanist needs a suspended cymbal; it's not shown in the suggested setup.
Hey Joe,

Wow. I'm embarrassed at the inconsistencies here - particularly with the timpani part. I have a few things to say about that below. Mainly, thanks for going to the trouble of outlining your findings in such detail. Maybe we need to hire you as a proofreader!

I'll be addressing these issues in the actual score on my end so that we can incorporate the into a future reprinting. For now, I'll post some comments below and will also reach out to you privately so I can get you a replacement timpani part (if that'll help).

Comments below....

[quote author=Joe link=topic=4836.msg24731#msg24731 date=1428637768]
[b]Glock part[/b]
m124: beat two is notated on a different toms pitch. Since the score indicates the player is to only have one drum, I assume this is a simple typo.
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Yep. That's just a little typo.

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m195:there is a stray percussion clef marking.
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There sure is! I'm fixing that.

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[b]Timpani[/b]
m19: there is no key signature notated in the part.
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This is because the music was coming from an 'unpitched' part. Not ideal, though in cases where this occurs, accidentals should tell the story.

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m36: there is no key signature notated in the part.
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Same issue as above, but less trivial since it makes it unclear that at Reh D, those should be B-flats and E-flats. This will be fixed in a subsequent reprint.

m39 (D): there is no key signature in the score.

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Presumably this should be three flats everywhere, accounting for the unpitched cymbal parts.
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That is correct. Good eyes, and thanks for spotting these. I'm really surprised we haven't heard about it yet. Oops!

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m24: throughout the piece some tuning changes are notated and some are not, which is confusing. Unless I am reading something wrong, or the part is intended for more than 4 timpani, somewhere between m24 and m39 the player needs to retune the 23"; drum from G-sharp to E-flat, and retune the 32"; drum from D to F.
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Point taken on the confusion. The method of notating tuning changes is really inconsistent and I don't have a good reason for that other than my logicistical, left-brain proofing was likely hindered by my own right-brained creative association to the music. I'm not a great proof-reader on my own material. To your specific points.

The part is written for 4 drums. It's also an advanced piece, so I'm sure I was taking some liberties during the writing process. I got spoiled writing impossible timpani parts in drum corps, though that's not a very good excuse...

Yes, after the initial G# cresc before Reh. B, that 23"; drum should retune to E-flat.

Same thing o that opening low D. Really, the intention behind that first low note is more of an effect than a specific pitch. Think of it as a low rumble. But yes...once rumbling has happened, tune that 32"; drum to an F-natural.

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m56: Tuning changes are not clear. ";ped."; from E-flat to F is noted, but this leaves the next E-flat unaccounted for. Either an additional ";ped."; should indicate the need to pedal back to E-flat, and then note that this drum needs to get back to F for m69, or there needs to be an indication to pedal the 26"; drum up to E-flat and then back to D in m57, then get it back to an E-flat for m71. The former option seems easier.
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E-flat and F are intended to be pedaled. There are some missing indications.


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m60: the tuning change for the 32"; drum is notated. However, it is also necessary here to retune the 29"; drum to A and retune the 26"; drum to D-flat.
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This is a mess. My apoligies. At Rehearsal H, the drums should be retuned the following pitches (from low to high): [b]F#, A, D-flat, F[/b]

A-naturals into B-flats (leading into Reh. I) are all on the 29"; drum.

All F-naturals, F-sharps, and E-flats are intended to be pedaled on the 23"; drum.

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m74: after the m60 note to tune to F-sharp, this pitched is notated enharmonically as G-flat.
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Yeah. That should have been spelled as an F#.

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m77 (J): retune instructions are for E G C E, but this does not account for the D in m102.
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That's because the E hits first and I was thinking the D would be pedaled from the E on the 23";. Although, now that I'm looking at it more closely, I'd suggest the tuning instructions (at J) to be changed to E, G, D, E). After the D is struck in bar 102, change it to a C. The D will sound better this way.

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m133: the timpani solo starting in this measure doesn't seem feasible without either a fifth drum tuned to high G, or without ";sliding"; all of needed pitches down one drum (i.e. previous tuning is E-flat G D-flat E; this could in theory be shifted to G D-flat E G, which fits on four drums but would be a pain to achieve while playing the music). It seems this latter strategy may be the intent given the tuning instruction in m144 and the fact that a 29"; drum cannot typically achieve a low E.
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The high A's and E naturals were intended to be pedaled. It's doable, but not terribly practical. Tuning during this passage should be E-flat, G, D-flat, (A and E-nat). However, it's more of an ";effect"; solo than anything, so if you're worried about it, I'd suggest not pedaling those top notes and keeping them all on E-natural. In fact, I'm just going to rewrite it to that since it'll be easier and there's a lot of chaos here.

The tuning instruction in 144 was probably an afterthought and is a mistake.

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m150: tuning instruction should refer to D-flat, not C-sharp, since D-flats are notated.
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Details... ;) Right again.

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m167: low E needs to be retuned to A-flat.
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Yes, it does.

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m174: A-flat needs to be retuned to low F to be ready for m176. D needs to be retuned to C to be ready for m187.
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Indeed. May as well just indicate here that the tuning should be [b]E-flat, B, C, E[/b]

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m182: the low E needs to be retuned to E-flat
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This is incorporated into the prior comment.

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m201: somewhere prior to this bar the B-flat needs to become a B.
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I addressed this a couple comments up.
[quote author=Joe link=topic=4836.msg24738#msg24738 date=1428983073]
[b]Percussion 1 part[/b]
The instrumentation list lists a single splash cymbal and the suggested setup shows a single splash cymbal. However, in measures 58, 143, and 144, two splash cymbals appear to be notated. The ";x"; notehead on the ";C"; space is also used for the trash can lid and snare drum rimshot notation in this part, so this is somewhat ambiguous.
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There's no need for 2 splash cymbals. Play these parts on a single cymbal and I'll clarify this in an upcoming reprint.

The X notation for the trash can lid was probably due to the way I was writing using a Virtual Drumline template and that's what it automatically assigned. Had I been more diligent in the engraving, I would have addressed this in a non-playback score for publishing...but clearly I didn't. I'm going to revise it so the trash can lid will be notated down a space.
[quote author=Joe link=topic=4836.msg24741#msg24741 date=1429193085]
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The timpanist needs a suspended cymbal; it's not shown in the suggested setup.
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It sure isn't. I'm fixing that as well.

Thanks for spotting these pesky details. This is a pretty crazy sort of ";kitchen sink"; work, so there's a lot to keep track of. I hope you and your students enjoy learning and performing it!
Thanks, Jim. This piece is crazy-looking on paper and not nearly as hard to actually play once learned (I think - haven't gotten there yet). I would appreciate the revised timpani part. Would you be so kind as to estimate a timeline for this? I want to know if I should send out the part as is to my timpanist (with comments incorporating our discussion here) or wait for something from you. Thanks.
Hey Jim,

I have a quick question about MS. 129 regarding the marimba 3 and 4 parts.  Marimba 3 jumps down to Eb3 and Bb3 after playing the china cymbal and the marimba 4 part plays on the opposing board on Eb5 and Bb5.  We are having some difficulty coordinating that part without the two players being in the same space at the same time.  I was wondering if the marimba 3 part was supposed to be written up an octave to alleviate some of the coordinative issues, or if I am simply missing something in the score. 
[quote author=dburgess link=topic=4836.msg25273#msg25273 date=1487713557]
Hey Jim,

I have a quick question about MS. 129 regarding the marimba 3 and 4 parts.  Marimba 3 jumps down to Eb3 and Bb3 after playing the china cymbal and the marimba 4 part plays on the opposing board on Eb5 and Bb5.  We are having some difficulty coordinating that part without the two players being in the same space at the same time.  I was wondering if the marimba 3 part was supposed to be written up an octave to alleviate some of the coordinative issues, or if I am simply missing something in the score.
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Hi dburgess,

My apologies for not responding to this sooner. I realize this is probably no longer urgent for you, but this is another goof on my part. Seems there have been a lot of them in this piece! I've actually re-tweaked those bars for better coordination and it'll be updated in the next printing. For anyone experiencing the same issue, here's the updated version (see attachment).
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